{"id":2913,"date":"2025-06-30T15:13:32","date_gmt":"2025-06-30T05:13:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/stag.coolabahcapital.com\/?p=2913"},"modified":"2025-10-24T15:49:17","modified_gmt":"2025-10-24T05:49:17","slug":"complexity-premia-podcast-episode-66","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/coolabahcapital.com\/en-au\/blog\/2025\/06\/30\/complexity-premia-podcast-episode-66\/","title":{"rendered":"Complexity Premia Podcast, Episode 66"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"2913\" class=\"elementor elementor-2913\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2052706 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2052706\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-2d63f24\" data-id=\"2d63f24\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2bf79e8 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"2bf79e8\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><a aria-current=\"page\" href=\"https:\/\/coolabah.podbean.com\/e\/episode-61-outlook-for-2025-performance-over-last-year-trumpian-regime-change-addressing-the-big-question\/\" style=\"font-style: normal;text-transform: none;overflow: unset;font-family: &quot;Open Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;font-size: 24px;display: inline !important\">Outlook for 2025; Performance Over Last Year; Trumpian Regime Change; Addressing the Big Questions<\/a><\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-26e0e4a elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"26e0e4a\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4e30107\" data-id=\"4e30107\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-958f68f elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"958f68f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>In this episode, Christopher Joye (Chief Investment Officer, Coolabah Capital), made a return guest appearance on the Straight Talk with Mark Bouris podcast to discuss Chris\u2019 outlook on trade developments since April &#8211; back when Trump first rattled markets with his tariff threats.<\/p>\n<p>Chris discusses Trump\u2019s unpredictable economic plays, Coolabah\u2019s bond trading strategy, and how quantitative models are being used to read the chaos. There\u2019s no avoiding the geopolitical tension in the Middle East \u2014 or the Elon Musk\/Trump rift and the impact on US central bank decisions. Chris and Mark dive into Australia\u2019s productivity problem, housing market stress, and the recent NSW budget. And finally, a straight-up conversation on tax reform, the state of leadership in this country, and Australia\u2019s financial future.<\/p>\n<p>Credit: Straight Talk with Mark Bouris.<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t forget to check out the original podcast on Spotify:\u00a0<a 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The views expressed in this recording represent the personal opinions of the speakers and do not represent the view of any other party. The information does not take into account the particular investment objectives or financial situation of any potential listener. It does not constitute, and should not be relied on as, financial or investment advice or recommendations (expressed or implied) and it should not be used as an invitation to take up any investments or investment services. Whilst we believe that the information discussed in the podcast is correct, no warranty or representation is given to this effect, and listeners should not rely on this information when making any decisions. No responsibility can be accepted by CCII to any end users for any action taken on the basis of this information. Any performance data presented on this site is pre-fees for institutional clients that negotiate custom fee rates, and these solutions are not available to retail investors. No investment decision or activity should be undertaken without first seeking qualified and professional advice. CCII may have a financial interest in any assets discussed during the podcast. Listeners in Australia are encouraged to visit ASIC&#8217;s MoneySmart website to obtain information regarding financial advice and investments.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2d60fb4 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2d60fb4\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-703bb8b\" data-id=\"703bb8b\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div 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